Curse

Drequlies · May 31, 2007, 08:29 PM // 20:29

Has anyone else noticed the skill issues that the heroes seem to have since the last update? I primarily play PvE and have been experiencing some strange problems my heroes.

My ranger heroes used to use their Barrage and other skills, but now they just attack while leaving the fully recharged skill alone. There are also long delays between using their other attack skills as well. They just shoot with their bow, not enhancing their attacks. I have to tell them to use their skills manually and I don’t have time.

My monk heroes recently ran into the middle of the fray and died even when they were set to avoid combat.

In the middle of a large battle, Zhed had a full 75 points of energy to cast with, but instead of casting his Fire Storm, which would have been really useful, he cast Glyph of Lesser Energy. He sometimes used Flare as well. Only on rare occasions did he use Fire Storm or the other skills. I had to tell him to use the skill manually. I was better off with Cynn.

I never used to have to do this. My heroes were good. They used their skills often and were smart about it. Then the update came where the heroes learned kiting. I think that something got messed up when they tried to implement this new feature because they no longer seem to use their skills properly.

I really preferred them the way they were before. I used to love my teams. Now they're a bit frustrating.

Rhedd · May 31, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I gave Barrage to Jin for the first time the other day, and was shocked to find that she wouldn't use it. I guess it's good to know it hasn't always been that borked.

Hero skill use definitely needs fixed, though.

mazey vorstagg · May 31, 2007, 09:22 PM // 21:22

yes my Olias never used Blood is power

perhaps this should be in the bugs section though

mazey vorstagg · May 31, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

yes my Olias never used Blood is power

perhaps this should be in the bugs section though

Patrick Smit · May 31, 2007, 09:45 PM // 21:45

[sarcasm mode]
They are preparing heroes for 1 player and 7 heroes in HM option, so heroes need to be toned down, otherwise HM would be too easy
[/sarcasm mode]

I have experienced some strange issues with heroes but more in the aggro they cause or want to maintain, not so much in skill use. I'll keep an eye out if they behave weirdly with my skillbars that normally work without error*.

*disclaimer, even heroes are human

AdeptRogue · May 31, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I haven't noticed any problems with my heroes. They behave as they should.

stryphe · May 31, 2007, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I have been having some serious problems with heroes lately. Last night on my sin, I was killing Abbadon, but I was killed right as he was weakened, and my heroes stood around and did random emotes, no res, and no attack. On several occasions they have been more retarded on moving in battle. The skill thing seemed about as buggy as usual. mostly the heroes refusing to use signets even with less than 5 energy.

RbX · May 31, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

I have no probs whatsoever with my heros.

Barrage btw is only used when hero is set to "aggressive". Otherwise He rarely ever uses it.. but that was always the case and not just since the update

majoho · May 31, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I can't say I have any problems with my rangers (or assassin) using barrage, they will however not use it unless it will hit multiple enemies, even though it's a spamable skill.

That's simply how the AI works, it will ALWAYS consider the conditions of a skill and only use it when those conditions are met.

Just tried BiP yesterday and Olias used it just fine.

EDIT: Btw. if you want your heroes to act like the henchmen you need to set them to agressive.

Edgar The Crosseyed · Jun 01, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

I dont have a problem with heroes either! As many people stated Mehnlo>Dunkoro! I set dunkoro for heal and he refuses to use dwayna's when the target isnt hexed or enchanted! he only uses Orison since it doesnt have a condition to meet!

Knowing this the choice between which hero or which henchman becomes really easy! the only truly good monk hero build is tahlkora RC protector! For the rest i use healing hench! Thats why there are 2 healer henchman and no protector in NF

:P

Wel anyways there is a list of skills that heroes wont use correctly so just check that and alter your heroe builds accordingly!

x hugo

p.s. i had some alcohol and just came home from a night out please not flame me

VitisVinifera · Jun 01, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

last night, I was doing Last Day Dawns with just heroes. I set Koss as an axe Eviscerate ->axe twist. I noticed NOONE he ever attacked was getting deep wound. So I opened up his skill bar, and I noticed he was using only Wild Blow, which empties all adrenaline. I disabled it, and he attacked then as he should. Very strange, since I don't believe those fire titans use stances.

Spazzer · Jun 01, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

Just build your heroes around their AI.

Jin will use Barrage when there is more than one enemy to shoot at. This means that rather than giving them barrage for DPS, it might be beneficial to use it in conjunction with adrenaline. For instance, give her "Watch Yourself!" and you can save yourself a little bit of pain in hard mode by having an extra 18 armor in a heavy fight. Plus, since she won't spam barrage on a single target, she can more effectively use interrupts. Give her Concussion Shot, since she'll now have the energy for spammage. Oh hey, check it out. Heroes don't lose skills when their pets die? Give her a pet. Free body blocking. Why stop with one imba shout? Free up some warrior skillbars and have her run "Shield's Up!" too. Oh damn, pve just got a whole lot easier how did that happen :\

VitisVinifera · Jun 01, 2007, 05:30 AM // 05:30

why would heroes spam skills that don't do their intended function? Ok maybe that's a rhetorical question, because the obvious answer is bad AI, and we've known that from the start.

But when a hero spams 'wild blow' on an enemy that isn't using stances, doesn't that seem a bit silly?

LONGA · Jun 01, 2007, 05:55 AM // 05:55

I notice thats monk heroes won't use some skill that often.
They just ignore signets skill untill they are low on enrgy.Signet of Devotion and Boon signet is not really work as it should be.So they still run out of enrgy in the middle of fight as always.

Patrick Smit · Jun 01, 2007, 06:04 AM // 06:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

why would heroes spam skills that don't do their intended function? Ok maybe that's a rhetorical question, because the obvious answer is bad AI, and we've known that from the start.

But when a hero spams 'wild blow' on an enemy that isn't using stances, doesn't that seem a bit silly?

Wild blow causes a critical hit, which results in a lot more damage, and is unblockable (also for block spells, not only skills). Humans can use it when they just released their adrenal skills, heroes just dont have this sensibility.

They guy that mentioned two healers in nightfall, Khim ain't a healer anymore after you get to the mainland ^^

Cacheelma · Jun 01, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

I'd say you shouldn't put Flare into your ele hero build. The heroes tend to save their energy when they can. So, their using cheap spells OR a signet OR a glyph of lesser energy even when their energy is full is somethig you should expect.

And because Flare has no recharge, he'd be spamming it (instead of doing something more useful) if he isn't too worried about saving his energy (which he is).

Utaku · Jun 01, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

My heroes refuse to use [skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill] on themselves.
This is terrible. At least they rock with [skill]restore condition[/skill]

Zenmain can't use [skill]Assassin's promise[/skill] and black line attacks...

lennymon · Jun 01, 2007, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Yeah, ZB monks never did cast on themselves, it was always like that though. At least they still healed me though ;P

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 02, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

My MM hero was so content with casting death nova on his minions, the next battles were over by the time he got there.
I took the damn skill off eventually.

Also guys, remember to set the hero skills from left to right, in order of priority so that they will tend to use the leftmost skills more often.
Don't worry about having the res skills on the right though. A dead ally supercedes anything else, unless of course it's your monk who is the only survivor, in which case they will love to show off their tanking skills :P

Bryant Again · Jun 02, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Norgu is a horrible domination mesmer.